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The whole problem would be solved, however, if Q/MM would let you also enter ''the date on which the bank shows the transaction'', and then sorted by that date when calculating the balance. Q/MM's balance and the bank's would match line-for-line, unless there was an actual discrepancy -- and then you would know exactly where the discrepancy was.
The whole problem would be solved, however, if Q/MM would let you also enter ''the date on which the bank shows the transaction'', and then sorted by that date when calculating the balance. Q/MM's balance and the bank's would match line-for-line, unless there was an actual discrepancy -- and then you would know exactly where the discrepancy was.
===Equity===
The other major area in which Q/MM falls short -- and I can't really blame them, because it turns out to be surprisingly complicated -- is Equity. I'm not sure if I'm using it the same way it's normally used in accounting, but I had a concept for which I needed a word, and Equity seemed like a close match. (See [[wikipedia:Shareholders' equity]] and [[wikipedia:Ownership equity]] for an explanation of equity in accounting.) The following is my usage of the term.
The examples below might be a good illustration of the proverb "Neither a borrower nor a lender be", since if these characters had simply paid each other off right away instead of letting the situation become more tangled, there would be no need for complex accounting.
There are certain situations where it arises, nonetheless:
#In small business partnerships, the partners will often spend money on the business without expecting payback in the short term; it is vital to be able to keep track of this.
#One sometimes runs into individuals who are less than fastidious about keeping track of their borrowings and expenditures. In this case, it is vital to be able to keep track of the borrowings and repayings of money amounts so that you can state, quickly and definitively, how much you are owed, rather than deferring the calculations until you have time -- by which time the situation has grown yet more complex.
#In cohabiting a household, often the expenses and borrowings/lendings come too quickly to allow simple payback; you don't want to be running to the bank five times a day with checks for tiny amounts.
====Example 1====
Let's say you're trying to keep track of how much you owe Fred. Fred lends you $100, so you set up a "Fred" account on your money manager program. You enter the $100 as a debit on the "Fred" account, so your "Fred" balance is -$100; it's clear enough that you owe "Fred" $100.
Next week, you give Fred $25. You enter this as a credit on the "Fred" account, and your money manager now shows a balance of -$75. So far so good.
The week after that, however, you buy Fred a hammer for $20, and Fred says to take it off your debt. But you've already entered the transaction in your money manager -- you used your check card to pay for the hammer, so you entered a check card debit on the "My Bank" account, paid to "Joe's Hardware". Possibly you could edit the transaction so the money went directly into the "Fred" account... but then when you want to see all the money you've spent at Joe's Hardware, the $20 hammer won't show up. "So what?", you think -- "It wasn't really my $20 anyway; it was Fred's." So you make the change.
This causes a minor problem later on, when the bank shows a payment to "Joe's Hardware" and your records show a payment to "Fred" instead, but you figure it out. Several months later, this causes another problem when Fred claims you still owe him $20, and your "Fred" balance shows zero. Fred claims you never gave him the $20 you show on June 1. After hunting around for a bit, you finally remember that the $20 didn't actually go directly to Fred; it went into a hammer which you then gave to Fred.
This is the sort of confusion which accounting software is supposed to prevent -- so the software clearly isn't doing everything you need.
====Example 1a====
Arnold buys some stuff for Fred, totalling $65; Fred tells Arnold to get the money from you, because you still owe him $75.


==Links==
==Links==
*http://braincore.blogspot.com/2005/05/koding-what-am-i-koding-then.html - A Dutch developer discusses accounting software, briefly. Apparently they don't use checkbooks in Holland.
*http://braincore.blogspot.com/2005/05/koding-what-am-i-koding-then.html - A Dutch developer discusses accounting software, briefly. Apparently they don't use checkbooks in Holland.

Revision as of 14:52, 6 August 2005

Template:Stub:Woozle Woozle: Projects: HyperMoney

HyperMoney is my attempt to write a money-management program (as in Quicken or Microsoft Money) that is actually usable and has no Stupid Features. It will be Open Source, as soon as I have source worth publishing (as of 2005-08-06, it's all written in Microsoft Access 97). The next step may be to convert it to web-based application, as HTML could possibly overcome many of the interface design issues I'm encountering.

Project Goals

The two major contenders in this niche -- Quicken and Microsoft Money (Q/MM) -- seem to approach the problem more or less the same way. In areas where either of them fall short, the other one does too.

Reconciling Balances

The main problem that keeps coming up with Q/MM is in reconciling your accounting with the bank's. They take the following approach, with the assumption that you are working from a periodical bank statement:

  1. You enter the beginning and ending dates of the bank statement
  2. You enter the beginning balance of the bank statement
  3. For each item shown on the bank statement, you check off the corresponding item in Q/MM -- or enter it, if Q/MM does not have a record of it
  4. You cross your fingers and hope that Q/MM's ending balance matches what the bank shows

One problem is with the final step. If there's a discrepancy, how do you figure out where it occurred? You have two numbers that differ by some arbitrary amount. It could be a missing transaction, or it could be a typo. It could have occurred on any transaction between the starting and ending dates.

Most bank statements (printed ones, at least, and some online banking services do as well) will show you a day-to-day running balance.

Q/MM will show you the same thing, but it shows them in the order of the dates you entered for each transaction. This means, for example, that if you buy something with your credit card on June 1 but the bank shows it as June 5, your balance will disagree with the bank's from June 1 to June 5. If you made another purchase on June 4 and it didn't show up on your bank account until June 8, then you have a discrepancy from June 1 through June 8. If you make purchases every few days of a month, then your balance and the bank's will never agree.

Yes, it's possible that the transactions might still come in in the same order -- but there are inevitably other transactions, such as deposits, with differing lags. And let's not even talk about checks -- you write one to someone on June 2, but they forget to deposit it until July 1, when they go to the bank to deposit their paycheck. That throws you off for an entire month with just one transaction.

The whole problem would be solved, however, if Q/MM would let you also enter the date on which the bank shows the transaction, and then sorted by that date when calculating the balance. Q/MM's balance and the bank's would match line-for-line, unless there was an actual discrepancy -- and then you would know exactly where the discrepancy was.

Equity

The other major area in which Q/MM falls short -- and I can't really blame them, because it turns out to be surprisingly complicated -- is Equity. I'm not sure if I'm using it the same way it's normally used in accounting, but I had a concept for which I needed a word, and Equity seemed like a close match. (See wikipedia:Shareholders' equity and wikipedia:Ownership equity for an explanation of equity in accounting.) The following is my usage of the term.

The examples below might be a good illustration of the proverb "Neither a borrower nor a lender be", since if these characters had simply paid each other off right away instead of letting the situation become more tangled, there would be no need for complex accounting.

There are certain situations where it arises, nonetheless:

  1. In small business partnerships, the partners will often spend money on the business without expecting payback in the short term; it is vital to be able to keep track of this.
  2. One sometimes runs into individuals who are less than fastidious about keeping track of their borrowings and expenditures. In this case, it is vital to be able to keep track of the borrowings and repayings of money amounts so that you can state, quickly and definitively, how much you are owed, rather than deferring the calculations until you have time -- by which time the situation has grown yet more complex.
  3. In cohabiting a household, often the expenses and borrowings/lendings come too quickly to allow simple payback; you don't want to be running to the bank five times a day with checks for tiny amounts.

Example 1

Let's say you're trying to keep track of how much you owe Fred. Fred lends you $100, so you set up a "Fred" account on your money manager program. You enter the $100 as a debit on the "Fred" account, so your "Fred" balance is -$100; it's clear enough that you owe "Fred" $100.

Next week, you give Fred $25. You enter this as a credit on the "Fred" account, and your money manager now shows a balance of -$75. So far so good.

The week after that, however, you buy Fred a hammer for $20, and Fred says to take it off your debt. But you've already entered the transaction in your money manager -- you used your check card to pay for the hammer, so you entered a check card debit on the "My Bank" account, paid to "Joe's Hardware". Possibly you could edit the transaction so the money went directly into the "Fred" account... but then when you want to see all the money you've spent at Joe's Hardware, the $20 hammer won't show up. "So what?", you think -- "It wasn't really my $20 anyway; it was Fred's." So you make the change.

This causes a minor problem later on, when the bank shows a payment to "Joe's Hardware" and your records show a payment to "Fred" instead, but you figure it out. Several months later, this causes another problem when Fred claims you still owe him $20, and your "Fred" balance shows zero. Fred claims you never gave him the $20 you show on June 1. After hunting around for a bit, you finally remember that the $20 didn't actually go directly to Fred; it went into a hammer which you then gave to Fred.

This is the sort of confusion which accounting software is supposed to prevent -- so the software clearly isn't doing everything you need.

Example 1a

Arnold buys some stuff for Fred, totalling $65; Fred tells Arnold to get the money from you, because you still owe him $75.

Links